tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7723595150423976130.post7818819115126884340..comments2022-08-31T13:21:11.928+02:00Comments on webdiary_<i>libre</i>: morality and propaganda ...Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7723595150423976130.post-44136847192774214052009-02-12T13:47:00.000+01:002009-02-12T13:47:00.000+01:00G'day Orana Gelar,I'm not as forgiving as you seem...G'day Orana Gelar,<BR/><BR/>I'm not as forgiving as you seem to be; I can see the profit motive, and how that's a key to capitalism - but I can't see why profit has to trump truth. Consider this article - I recommend (as always) that you read past the title: "<A HREF="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/KA30Dj02.html" REL="nofollow">Is ethical capitalism possible?</A>"IDHolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01952349876651823852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7723595150423976130.post-75163221874551816042009-02-12T12:43:00.000+01:002009-02-12T12:43:00.000+01:00Media bias is a big problem. One form is particula...Media bias is a big problem. One form is particularly insidious: the bias toward ease or expediency. <BR/><BR/>"Cost cutting" by corporations controlling many media organisations produced very effective echo chambers through which propaganda is repeated ... repeated ... repeated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7723595150423976130.post-87181334093317379122009-02-12T09:01:00.000+01:002009-02-12T09:01:00.000+01:00Lakoff framing ... .. avoiding the pitfallsG'...Lakoff framing ...<BR/><BR/> .. avoiding the pitfalls<BR/><BR/>G'day Naj, David G.<BR/><BR/>-=*=-<BR/><BR/>Lakoff's 'major' work in this respect is "How Liberals and Conservatives Think," then he published a subset in "Don't Think of an Elephant!"<BR/><BR/>Paraphrasing a key aspect, he says that using certain words may invoke a 'frame of reference;' consider in this case "holocaust." <BR/><BR/>This may immediately invoke the "Jews as horrific victims" frame, associatively arrousing pity for the poor 'little David' Jews (or so the filthy propagandists hope; I call this type of thing a 'pushed paradigm.') <BR/><BR/>What originally drew me to the Larijani speech was hearing the German word for 'denial' near the end of a report on the speech on a publicly-financed German TV news item. (This brings up the Q: How dare publicly-financed broadcasters tell us lies? The employees are assumed to be professionals, it's their exact business to recognise and select truth from the news-storm. No democracy can properly function if not fully and accurately informed.) The word 'denial' was itself made 'popular' by the Pope's most recent 'folly.' I have become very suspicious of coincidences, and do not think it was coincidence at all, that the Pope caused such a storm - especially on the German broadcasters' news programs, where it was the looong lead item for perhaps a week - immediately after the IDF <I>offensive</I> into the Gaza, and <B>driving the gaza massacre story out of the news.</B><BR/><BR/>-=*=-<BR/><BR/>So, generalising from the part to the whole, it pays one to be extremely careful as to what words one chooses to deploy. For example, what the IDF (offensive!) did in the Gaza was not a war, it was a genocidal massacre.<BR/><BR/>Whatever the details, any WW2 holocaust, regardless of the numbers and race of the victims was a long time ago now, and the (ir!)responsible regime has long since exited into the pages of history. Discussing the details can (safely?) be left to real historians; the general population really don't care a fig - except that they can be (almost/entirely subconsciously) 'hooked' by the 'pity frame.'<BR/><BR/>Note: The mostly 'conservative' think-tanks have been beavering away on framing; they (temporarily) gained a long-lead 'advantage.' Having been 'alarmed' by Lakoff (thanks!), we can recognise the frames when we listen to the news with an ear to detecting propaganda. Things like "right to exist" and "right to defend" are close to the top of the list - but are extremely arguable, if not totally false. The Zionists cannot claim the UN as legitimating the rogue state Israel while heinously breaking the UN laws by slaughtering its neighbours; one cannot defend stolen land.<BR/><BR/>Fazit: Be very aware of the frame 'baggage' of words.IDHolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01952349876651823852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7723595150423976130.post-43029684154063346512009-02-12T05:28:00.000+01:002009-02-12T05:28:00.000+01:00Looks as though the 'trolls' have found you, Ian.I...Looks as though the 'trolls' have found you, Ian.<BR/>It's strange how quickly they come. <BR/><BR/>They're like blowflies rushing to roadkill. They offer nothing constructive to any debate but instead leave a residue that is rather disgusting.<BR/><BR/>Cheers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7723595150423976130.post-36424485793033063372009-02-11T23:53:00.000+01:002009-02-11T23:53:00.000+01:00Hi Ian,What I find puzzling is WHY would he, who i...Hi Ian,<BR/><BR/>What I find puzzling is WHY would he, who is so prompt in calling my information incorrect, refuse my polite request for reference:<BR/><BR/>Here's the exchange:<BR/>"Dear sir,<BR/><BR/>I have provided a word by word translation of Mr Larijan's speech in the Munich conference. Not even ONCE did he utter the word "HOLOCAUST" let alone to deny it!<BR/><BR/>Are you so blatantly biased to lie, or is this an honest misunderstanding that you will correct?<BR/><BR/>Regards<BR/>Naj"<BR/><BR/><I>Your information is completely incorrect. He did discuss it, exactly as I wrote about, sparking the exchange with the French lawmaker which I detail in my article. If you read the transcript of the session, you'll see the entire exchange.<BR/><BR/>Y<BR/>Yochi J. Dreazen </I><BR/><BR/>"Can you please reference me to the transcript of that exchange.<BR/><BR/>Thanks<BR/>Naj"<BR/><BR/>No response yet!<BR/><BR/>========================================<BR/>But, I have seen how these honorable journalists have mutilated Ahmadinejad's speech in the UN or even in the Colombia U.<BR/><BR/>All of these, however, are smokescreen if you ask me.<BR/><BR/>It's somewhat amusing: The Iranian and the American (even the Zionist) "Regimes" all walk a similar thin line:<BR/><BR/>They cannot seem too "soft" because their softness radicalizes the lunatics in their countries. Well okey, in Israel, everyone seem to have become a lunatic; so I take them out of this comparative statement.<BR/><BR/>But, what a LARGE portion of the world, except the "white" Euro-American one asks is a simple question:<BR/><BR/>"Why can the world not open the Holocaust to investigation?"<BR/><BR/>Iranians have said REPEATEDLY, even their most radical clerics that: "Whether 100 people, or 6 million or one billion, the ACT of genocide is condemnable." Even the most radical of Iranian Mullahs doesn't "condone" holocaust, or belittle it. all they do is to question, not the number, but WHY this number is so sanctioned!<BR/><BR/>Sometimes I think (and I think this belief is shared by many on my eastern side of the pond) the cap on Holocaust serves to "hide" how the rest of Europeans and Americans were really complicit in it. <BR/><BR/>Iranian position is simply this:<BR/>"It is EUROPEANS who created holocaust.<BR/>"It is EUROPEANS who created Israel.<BR/>"It is EUROPEANS who are using Palestinians (and Israelis) to wipe their own disgusting bloody past.<BR/>"WHY are you killing Arabs and muslims?!"<BR/><BR/>This is not an invalid question!<BR/>To ask WHY the genocidal hatred is shifted from Jews to Arabs/muslims is NOT an invalid question!<BR/><BR/>What he propaganda machine has successfully accomplished is to give the average "European" (read American or Australian too) the comfort of NOT self-questioning.<BR/> <BR/>To have continued to ask questions about the "why" and "how' of Holocaust would have deprived particularly America from the moral legitimacy of its vendetta against the real winners of the WWII: The Soviets. It would have made it uneasy to welcome the Germany back to the league of nations, and the Nazis back to the realms of science and technology.<BR/> <BR/>To have reduced Holocaust to a "Jewish" problem, has made all of us vulnerable to Nero's madness! We barely escaped it ... the menace of Dr Strangelove #2: Mr Cheney!<BR/><BR/>I just want to be allowed to ask questions about WHO/HOW/WHY 6 million people were exterminated. I want to ask WHO ELSE was exterminated. And WHY?!<BR/>I want to also understand why the Soviet lives have not counted as much as the Jewish ones?! They lost plenty too, no?Najhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728668942925956610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7723595150423976130.post-39223830432122436702009-02-11T20:00:00.000+01:002009-02-11T20:00:00.000+01:00G'day Naj, Curiouser and curiouser. Of course, the...G'day Naj,<BR/> <BR/>Curiouser and curiouser.<BR/> <BR/>Of course, the WSJ 'journalist' would stick to the published story - but what if it (the published story) actually is a lie?<BR/> <BR/>More research needed, I think.<BR/> <BR/>(A link to what we're discussing: Naj's translation of Larijani <A HREF="http://iranfacts.blogspot.com/2009/02/iran-extends-conciliatory-hand-to-us.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.)IDHolmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01952349876651823852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7723595150423976130.post-85953341763253027122009-02-11T19:35:00.000+01:002009-02-11T19:35:00.000+01:00Hi there,I shold come back and visit you again. Ju...Hi there,<BR/><BR/>I shold come back and visit you again. Just, the author of the WSJ article wrote back to tell me my information was incorrect. I asked him to provide me a CORRECT transcript of HIS information. But the way he has "assembled" Larijani's speech is really fascinating!<BR/><BR/>I have the itch to write to him: "what the hell is your problem, to produce this biased picture of a speech that was only reconciliatory?!"Najhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17728668942925956610noreply@blogger.com